Guest Saturday, Dec 25, 2021 @ 9:28 am
Why the old church of God of the new covenant not tithe?
From the Elder : The Old Church of God of the New Covenant that Church people one can read about in the scriptures, 1 Cor. 1:2- Gal. 1:13 Eph. 2:15-21- Jer. 31:31- Heb. 8:1-13 we have always been around, from the very beginning. We are not the only church people that teach this no tithing doctrine for the new covenant people.. But we have always preached that there is no tithe under the all Christian all New Covenant that God has for us today. Heb. 8:1-13 We have always faced the truth in Tithing–*** but men will always have something that is for sale we do not and the clergy works to support their families and takes nothing from the church in pay. All we do is for free. We are servants not the boss. We are not well liked for this teaching. But as we have always preached and have always said we will stay with what the early church shows us and the scriptures do teach of this. The Scriptures do teach us that The Apostle Paul NEVER ONCE appealed to tithing even though he obviously often suffered financial difficulties. However, he wrote rather a lot about FREELY giving financial support where one is able. We never tithe as the Old Church of God of the New Covenant and never will. 2. The early Church who was us as the church one can read about in the scriptures as 1. Cor. 1:2- Gal. 1:13 says we are, - prior to Constantine - there was no such thing as in the New Covenant church a tithe nor They DID NOT uphold tithing history is clear and so is the scriptures saying this.. 3. Tithing was a widespread practice in the ancient world - not something peculiar to Israel. But not to the New Way of the New Covenant. 4. In our day, strongly tithing congregations often become very wealthy congregations with much to spend on various projects and with the minister enjoying an affluent lifestyle, even while many within that congregation might live in a financially very precarious world. We will seek to help one another and give where we are needed to give. Is this not at odds with the examples within the Book of Acts which show Christians within a congregation SHARING their substance so that none should suffer lack? Why do we ignore this clear NEW TESTAMENT example, while being quick to seize an Old Testament example which finds no real New Testament support? 5. 2 Corinthians 9:7 effectively bars tithing for the New Testament all Christian all New Covenant Church of God since it plainly states that Christians should not give (and the whole context is of financial giving) "under compulsion. " no person was ever to be forced to give anything. Our clergy are not paid, and as the people of God we do not keep the old covenant laws of tithing or any old covenant way to salvation under the laws of Moses.. Many of the Old Church of God of the New Covenant clergy would love it if God had let the people feed their children and give food, but God removed this, and so they go work for their own homes in our day and receive no pay. Among the many pastors of the world we now live in today, there is a terrible abuse of using law tithing to place the church back under the condemnation of the law. Men want money and the big way of life and have turned the tithe into money in our day. This must be stopped (Titus 1:11). We should stop paying the clergy as God’s saved people. Jesus taught the church of Paul’s dispensation a better way of giving without the law. We teach that no one should keep any old covenant laws, no sabbaths, no feast days, no new moons, no Holy days, no tithing. TITHING WAS A PART OF THE LAW OF MOSES; BELIEVERS ARE NOT UNDER THE LAW. Romans, Galatians, and other New Testament passages make it clear that Christians are not under the law of Moses. That does not mean that we are lawless, because we are under the law of Christ (1 Cor. 9:20-21; James 1:25; 2:8, 12; Rom. 13:8-10). Those aspects of the Mosaic law that reflect the moral character of God are valid under the New Covenant and are repeated as commands in the New Testament. But the church is never commanded to tithe. Those who argue for tithing point out that Abraham and Jacob both tithed prior to the Mosaic law (Gen. 14:20; 28:22). Thus tithing supersedes the law, they argue. If the New Testament gave no further guidelines, that might be a valid point. But it does, as I will show. But there are other practices, such as circumcision and sabbath-keeping which pre-date the Law and yet are not binding on us. Many think believers in Christ should tithe (defined as giving 10 percent of one’s income), and many use the language of “tithes and offerings” in worship services. Others are equally convinced tithing is not required for believers. We do not see this tithing in the scriptures as an all Christian all New Covenant teaching, so we say no to it, it was only for those of the old Covenant, and was the way the priesthood received food, as it is said tithe in the story house. There was money but it was not the tithe money was not the tithe it was an offering even under the old covenant just as it is today- Mark 12:41–44. This was not a tithe. “Now Jesus sat opposite the treasury where the offern of money was placed, and saw how the people put money into the treasury. And many who were rich put in much. Then one poor widow came and threw in two mites, which made a quadrans. So He called His disciples to Himself and said to them, ‘Assuredly, I say to you that this poor widow has put in more than all those who have given to the treasury; for they all put in out of their abundance, but she out of her poverty put in all that she had, her whole livelihood. ’” Paul is not talking about the tithe in the * Two of the most important New Testament passages that address giving appear in Paul’s letters to the Corinthian church. In 1 Corinthians 16:1–2, Paul writes **, Now concerning the collection for the saints: as I directed the churches of Galatia, so you also are to do. On the first day of every week, each of you is to put something aside and store it up, as he may prosper, so that there will be no collecting when I come. The usual sermon that is preached so slick the pastor can live large on the saved people is this in most churches, but we will not teach this. the text for this idea is Malachi 3:8-10 where it says: Will a man rob God? Yet ye have robbed me. Was only food for the priesthood and we have no such thing as a priest on earth anymore. They asked this, and some answered like this, But ye say, Wherein have we robbed thee? In tithes and offerings. Ye are cursed with a curse: for ye have robbed me, even this whole nation, not the new covenant people today, was in sin for sure. Bring ye all the tithes into the storehouse, ( God is saying food in this place)-* that there may be meat in mine house, People do not eat money, so He told them to prove to me now herewith, saith the LORD of hosts, if I will not open you the windows of heaven, and pour you out a blessing, that there shall not be room enough to receive it. Here Malachi references the obligation the Israelites had under the Mosaic law to bring tithes, or a tenth of their produce and livestock, to the temple (Numbers 18:21–32, Deuteronomy 14:22–28). We teach what the bible says. All the mandatory tithes found in Leviticus were no longer mandatory after Jesus’ death on the cross. Because Jesus established a new covenant of grace with us, we are no longer under the Mosaic Law. Which means we are no longer required to offer any sin or trespass offerings. Tithing in the Old Testament was a way of life for those who had much, but the poor did not pay a tithe, nor did those who worked at things other than farming. We do teach what the bible told them about tithing under the old Covenant so one can understand what was the Old Testament said about tithing? Abraham gave a tenth of his spoils of war to Melchizedek (Gen. 14:20), and Hebrews appeals to this account to support the superiority of Melchizedek’s priesthood over Levi’s (Heb. 7:4–10). God met Jacob at Bethel and promised him covenant blessings; the patriarch promised God a tenth of everything granted him (Gen. 28:22). A tenth of Israel’s seed, fruit, and flocks were given to the Lord so food would be there for the priesthood. Today we have no such thing as a priest on earth and no need for the tithe (Lev. 27:30–32; Deut. 14:22–24; cf. 2 Chron. 31:5–6; Neh. 13:5, 12). The people gave a tenth to the Levites to support them (Num. 18:21–24; cf. Neh. 10:38; 12:44), and the Levites, in turn, were to give a tenth to the chief priest (Num. 18:25–28). Those who didn’t tithe were threatened with a curse, while those who did tithe were promised blessings (Mal. 3:8–10). Why we teach that Tithing Is Not Required Today! There are many decisive reasons for saying Christians are not required to tithe under the New Covenant. 1. Believers are no longer under the Mosaic covenant (Rom. 6:14–15; 7:5–6; Gal. 3:15–4:7; 2 Cor. 3:4–18). The commands stipulated in the Mosaic covenant are no longer in force for believers. Some appeal to the division between the civil, ceremonial, and moral law to support tithing. Yet these divisions, I would observe, are not the basis Paul uses when addressing how the law applies to us today. And even if we use these distinctions, tithing is clearly not part of the moral law. It’s true the moral norms of the Old Testament are still in force today, and we discern them from the law of Christ in the New Testament, but tithing is not among these commands. 2. The examples of Abraham and Jacob are not normative patterns. Some think tithing is required because both Abraham and Jacob gave a tenth, and they both lived before the Mosaic covenant was in place. Such examples hardly prove tithing is for all time, however. Abraham’s gift to Melchizedek was a one-time event; there is no evidence he regularly gave God a tenth. Jacob’s giving of a tenth signified his gratefulness to God for promising to be with him and to protect him. His gratefulness and generosity still speak to us today, but a historical description of what Jacob gave doesn’t support the idea that all believers must give God a tenth of their income. 3. Tithes were given to the Levites and priests, but there are no Levites and priests in the new covenant. And no temple to keep up. Levites and priests were tied to the sacrificial system of the old covenant. Now all believers are priests (1 Pet. 2:9; Rev. 1:6; 5:10; 20:6), with Jesus as our Melchizedekian high priest (Heb. 7). 4. The tithe is tied to the land Israel received under the old covenant. Israel was supposed to celebrate a tithe every three years in Jerusalem. But that requirement cannot apply to Christians today. It related to the Jews as a nation—to Jews who lived in the land of promise. With the coming of Christ, the Jewish nation is no longer the locus of God’s people, though individual Jews are part of the church through faith in Jesus. The earthly Jerusalem is no longer central in God’s purposes (Gal. 4:25). Believers are part of the heavenly Jerusalem (Gal. 4:26) and look forward to the city to come (Heb. 11:10), to the new heavens and new earth (Rev. 21:1–22:5). Abraham isn’t heir of the land of Israel, but of the whole world (Rom. 4:13). 5. If tithing is required today, how much should we give? As noted above, the number was certainly more than 10 percent and closer to 20 percent. Those who advocate tithing should probably settle on 20 percent. 6. When Jesus affirmed the tithe, it was before the dawn of the new covenant. Some defend tithing by saying Jesus praised tithing, even if he said it was less important than other things (Matt. 23:23; Luke 11:42). This argument appears strong, but it’s not persuasive. Jesus also mentioned offering sacrifices in the temple (Matt. 5:23–24), but Christians don’t think—even if the temple were rebuilt—that we should do that. Our Lord’s words are understandable when we think about his location in redemptive history. Jesus spoke about sacrifices and tithing before the cross and resurrection, before the dawn of the new covenant. He used tithing and sacrifices as illustrations when addressing his contemporaries. He kept the law since he was “born under the law” (Gal. 4:4). But we can no more take his words as a commendation for tithing today than we can his words about offering sacrifices. 7. Nowhere is tithing mentioned when commands to give generously are found in the New Testament. When Christians are instructed to give to the poor, they aren’t commanded to give “the poor tithe. ” Instead, they are instructed to be generous in helping those in need (Acts 2:43–47; 4:32–37; 11:27–30; Gal. 2:10; 1 Cor. 16:1–4; 2 Cor. 8:1–9:15). For example, 1 Corinthians 16:1–4—a passage often cited in popular circles in support—doesn’t mention tithing; it relates to a one-time gift for poor saints in Jerusalem. Giving generously is what God calls for under the all Christian all New Covenant that this world is under today. Even though tithing isn’t required today, it does not follow that believers should hoard their possessions. We are commanded to support those who preach the gospel (Matt. 10:10; Luke 10:7; 1 Cor. 9:6–14; 1 Tim. 5:17–18). But not to tithe, as they did under the old covenant, so the saved people will help with the needs at the church, needs of the poor. And while we should enjoy the good things God gives us, we are also called to be generous to those in need (1 Tim. 6:17–19; 2 Cor. 8–9). Wealth can so easily become an idol, leading us to abandon the Lord. We go deep into the scriptures! Since God is to be our treasure, believers are to give generously and freely. This does not say it has to be money. Still, Scripture doesn’t command Christians to give a tenth under the all Christian all new covenant —and Scripture, not tradition, is our rule and authority. If God wants it that way we will do as He says. Even if we do not have much as the clergy. We do not teach that we are under the law of tithing for our day, it does take the devil out of the clergy, in that men and women will always be called to the clergy because there is no money in it for anyone. Tithing was part of the law. We are no longer under it. (Rom 6:14) so we just teach that each person can come to church and they need no such thing as money to do so, we do take up an offering, and the saved people will always help the clergy as well as the poor around them. The old law God says is weak, and was weak so He changed it. God wanted it to be about our hearts, not about money. A required tithe does not change the heart or the action. (Mat 23:23, Gal 4:9, Rom 8:3) so He changed it to what He wants so we say if you say it God it is good enough for us. It is not a gift if you have to do it. It is merely fulfilling an obligation (Gal 4:9). The Old Church of God of the New Covenant are those one can read about in the scriptures as 1 Cor. 1:2- Gal. 1:13 tells us we are those of the early church people who are God’s new covenant people. The old and new covenants were made with Israel and Judah, but were given to them as well as us who are not anything but Gentile people. so the requirements were very much given to the world, as Paul who was a Jew was sent to us as an apostles. So it was intended for Gentiles just as all others (Heb 8:8). Gentiles could be blessed by honoring Israel, and worshiping Israel’s God in the days of the old Covenant as well. There is no Levitical priesthood today, we have only one Priest and He is Jesus the Christ and He is in heaven and has no need for money or food from us. And no matter what the churches say no angel comes for the money they take up at church, and yes we can’t out give God, but the church or the preacher is not God. Men turned the popular tithe today into money so the tithe that went to the Levitical priesthood (Num 18:21). There is no Levitical priesthood today. We teach that there is no such thing as a Tithe of the people of God for our day. The pastor does not replace the priest, nor does the clergy. Preachers and teachers in the body of Christ church are not priests. Christ is the only mediator (1 Tim 2:5). We do not inherit Israel’s land. And food was the tithe of the land. The tithe given to the Levites was because they had no land inheritance (Numbers 18:21). There are no more temple sacrifices Since Christ paid it all there is no need to pay (tithe) someone else to do this service. The local church does not replace the temple Know ye not that you are the temple of God not your building! ( 1 Cor 3:16) The church does not observe required feast day celebrations It was three times a year in Deut 16:16. At certain feast days is where the tithes would be offered. One tithe even allowed you to stay home and spend it on what you desired (Deut 14:26). Law tithing requirements were greater than 10 percent Deut 14:28 is one example of the tithe on the increase every 3 years that was above the regular Levitical tithe. There are other required offerings also according to Mal 3:9. Physical blessings are no longer granted The law tithe taught physical blessings to Israel from God for tithing (Mal 3:10). Without a covenant with God, a priesthood, a promise, or a temple tithing for profit will not work. Christ has given the church all spiritual blessings Those blessings are in heavenly places in Christ (Eph 1:3). God provides all our needs without tithing Phil 4:19 says your needs are supplied according to his riches in glory in Christ. What you need is not physical, it is spiritual. Law tithing obligates the doer to the entire law – Gal 5:3, James 2:10 Peace with God is attained without tithing – Romans 5:1 We work to provide for our needs in this dispensation Paul makes it clear that if we don’t work we don’t eat (2 Thess 3:10). Mat 6:11 and Mal 3:10 are not effective today. If we do not provide for our own today we are “worse than an infidel” (1 Tim 5:8). So we do give but are not cut off if we do not. Giving today is not “of necessity” (2 Cor 9:7). This is an important distinction between generosity and obligation. The law tithe places you under a curse the New Covenant set us all free. The lordship clergy who want what God has given His people will say If you do not continue tithing then you can be cursed, and use the bible incorrectly to show you such as (Gal 3:10). But this is not saying we should return to the tithe of the old covenant. Christ has redeemed you from the law of tithing Law tithing represents ignorance or negligence of Christ’s cross (Gal 3:13, 1 Cor 1:17, Gal 2:21). “I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness comes by the law, then Christ is dead in vain. ” – Gal 2:21 So we teach this!!! We are not liked for this teaching. 1. The Holy Spirit is our new teacher, not the Mosaic law (Romans 12:8; Galatians 5:18-25) 2. There is no command for the New Covenant Church to tithe (Genesis – Revelation) 3. Tithing was used for the temple storehouse & ceremonial system (Nehemiah 10:37; Deuteronomy 12:17, 18) 4. 10% giving is not an eternal principle nor a character trait of God (Romans 8:32) 5. The church is not commanded to follow the ordinances of Abraham and Moses (John 7:21-24) 6. A tithe only consisted of agricultural increase (Leviticus 27:30) 7. Tithing is not the minimum amount mentioned in scripture (Romans 12:1; Matthew 25:24-28) 8. An OT ceremony paralleled the future Church with a freewill offering (Deuteronomy 16:10) 9. We have new commands of giving (1 Corinthians 16:2; 2 Corinthians 9:7; Galatians 5:18-25) Until next time The elder. Pray to God and not at Him. Help the poor that God places in front of you. Beware of men who are out to live large on what God gives you and yours. Reply